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	<title>Comments on: ubuntu weirdnesses</title>
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		<title>By: Per</title>
		<link>http://malvasiabianca.org/archives/2007/01/ubuntu-weirdnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-18202</link>
		<dc:creator>Per</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never actually used any of them, but a quick search in the repositories found a few iptables configuration tools.  If you don&#039;t want to bother with iptables syntax then you might want to check them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never actually used any of them, but a quick search in the repositories found a few iptables configuration tools.  If you don&#8217;t want to bother with iptables syntax then you might want to check them out.</p>
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		<title>By: david carlton</title>
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		<dc:creator>david carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 05:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally, I love standards, but Posix has never done that much for me.  (Not that I&#039;ve actually, you know, read it or anything.)  I&#039;m not using super-fancy features in those scripts, and I&#039;ve never gotten the impression that there&#039;s something special about the minimalism of pure original Bourne shell.  Having said that, I&#039;m not entirely comfortable with having sh = bash, either - I guess I&#039;d be happier if there were a standard that had a little bit more functionality in the shell.  To be sure, typing two extra characters isn&#039;t exactly an onerous burden.

At first, I liked that firewall argument - I&#039;m all for no configuration if possible.  But if installing a service just means doing a simple package install, then it gets weaker - I installed Apache and MySQL over the weekend, and if I didn&#039;t have the router in place protecting me, I&#039;d be thinking twice about doing that without a firewall.  (Though with my current configuration, I&#039;m using Apache over a LAN, but the argument would apply if I only had one computer and no router.)

And, even setting aside my eroding iptables skills, it&#039;s not like it&#039;s that braindead easy.  Aside from taking the time to learn the syntax and making your first mistakes (and hoping that the mistakes aren&#039;t of the form of inadvertently leaving a hole open), there are interactions with nameservers and NTP servers that, in my past experience, require more coordination than you want to do by hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally, I love standards, but Posix has never done that much for me.  (Not that I&#8217;ve actually, you know, read it or anything.)  I&#8217;m not using super-fancy features in those scripts, and I&#8217;ve never gotten the impression that there&#8217;s something special about the minimalism of pure original Bourne shell.  Having said that, I&#8217;m not entirely comfortable with having sh = bash, either &#8211; I guess I&#8217;d be happier if there were a standard that had a little bit more functionality in the shell.  To be sure, typing two extra characters isn&#8217;t exactly an onerous burden.</p>
<p>At first, I liked that firewall argument &#8211; I&#8217;m all for no configuration if possible.  But if installing a service just means doing a simple package install, then it gets weaker &#8211; I installed Apache and MySQL over the weekend, and if I didn&#8217;t have the router in place protecting me, I&#8217;d be thinking twice about doing that without a firewall.  (Though with my current configuration, I&#8217;m using Apache over a LAN, but the argument would apply if I only had one computer and no router.)</p>
<p>And, even setting aside my eroding iptables skills, it&#8217;s not like it&#8217;s that braindead easy.  Aside from taking the time to learn the syntax and making your first mistakes (and hoping that the mistakes aren&#8217;t of the form of inadvertently leaving a hole open), there are interactions with nameservers and NTP servers that, in my past experience, require more coordination than you want to do by hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://malvasiabianca.org/archives/2007/01/ubuntu-weirdnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-18145</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; I have verified that there is no firewall in place.

Ubuntu doesn&#039;t ship with a firewall, because it doesn&#039;t ship with any externally-accessible services turned on -- and the idea is that if you&#039;re competent enough to set such a service up, you can handle providing an iptables rule for it too.

I tend to find firewalls to be nuisances, but I also tend not to run insecure services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; I have verified that there is no firewall in place.</p>
<p>Ubuntu doesn&#8217;t ship with a firewall, because it doesn&#8217;t ship with any externally-accessible services turned on &#8212; and the idea is that if you&#8217;re competent enough to set such a service up, you can handle providing an iptables rule for it too.</p>
<p>I tend to find firewalls to be nuisances, but I also tend not to run insecure services.</p>
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		<title>By: John Cowan</title>
		<link>http://malvasiabianca.org/archives/2007/01/ubuntu-weirdnesses/comment-page-1/#comment-18102</link>
		<dc:creator>John Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bash is too heavyweight to be the default scripting shell, IMHO.  Shell scripts should be Posix by default; if you actually depend on bash features, you should say so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bash is too heavyweight to be the default scripting shell, IMHO.  Shell scripts should be Posix by default; if you actually depend on bash features, you should say so.</p>
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